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PP

Just checking: are these dollars inflation-adjusted?

Chris

This feels like lazy criticism. There is no reason to suspect "coordinated cheating" because the NAEP tests are not "high-stakes" and not tied to school or state funding in any way. In fact, NAEP results are not even released at the school level. And they are actually fairly well designed and are pretty good metrics in my opinion.

Kaiser

Chris: You're picking on one of my seven or eight points and putting words in my mouth. My comment on cheating in standardized testing does not mention NAEP. It is well known in educational circles that "test scores" do not measure "quality of education"; it may measure one aspect of it but to equate the two is folly.

PP: I don't know whether it's inflation adjusted or not, probably not.

Jens

Wasn't the whole point with this graph to show that spending and test scores are have varied independently, i.e. are not correlated? Then I guess it is a matter of power of the test of correlation and how much a change of test scores is considered "large enough" to talk about. Now, we have to take their word for it that there is no correlation between math scores and spending (although it looks like there might be). Am I missing something?

I agree on the points of the weird scale of test scores and the comparisons to other countries though.

Jackie Conrad

I can see two possible talking points here:
1. The cost of K-12 education has increased to keep up with the cost of HEALTH INSURANCE in the US. In Europe, socialism has not driven the cost of salaries+fringes up since there is universal health care.
2. Schools have done well to have a slight upward trend in NAEP especially when you consider the INCREASE of students living in poverty.

Davidwees

@Jackie

I'm pretty sure health care costs have gone up in the socialist countries you mention (like my country, Canada) as part of the costs are related to increases in obesity, cancer, and an aging population. However, I'm sure that our increases have been no where near as bad as the total increases in the US.

@PP

Yes, the charts are inflation adjusted. They aren't adjusted for land prices which have risen well over inflation for decades, or for health care costs as indicated by Jackie, or by rising costs of supplies (ie computers in schools).

Demian

This blog article provides some nice insights on some of the fundamental statistical problems of the graph and claims/inferences made about it by Gates. http://www.epi.org/publication/fact-challenged_policy/ provides some further critique of Gates interpretation.

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