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Tom West

My issue with using lines to connect discrete things is that it can imply that there is something "half-way" between two discrete points, even when there is not.
However, when you have just two points on each 'line', it's a slightly diofferent thing... you are comparing two things, which somehow feels different to comparing a range of things.
A possible aletrnative would be a bar chart, grouped by type of Latino, with a bar for US born and immigrant... then the biggere the difference in bar height, teh biggere the difference between the two groups.

Harlan

I'm trained as a social scientist, and of course we use interaction plots all the time. They show all the data, and emphasize the slopes and interactions. They quickly become unwieldy if you have confidence intervals and more than 3 lines, though. (This graph really should have confidence intervals!)

If all you care about is the slopes, you can always make a difference plot. Probably best shown as a (horizontal) bar graph or dot graph with confidence intervals, plotting differences in this case of (US - Immigrant) mental illness. You can get many more cases on the page with that sort of chart, since the lines won't overlap.

derek

I'm on your side w.r.t. line graphs generally, but I think this is a bad particular example, since it's only got two labels on the "horizontal axis". So the obvious solution to everyone's objedtions is to transpose the graph so that the immigrant subgroups are labelled along the bottom and there are two series, US born and Immigrant.

Now you can have a much larger variety of graph types; two lines, two point series, two bars or a single floating bar or line with two ends.

Chris P

The lines are helpful in that they look at the relative difference between the US born and the Immigrant population. Parallel lines mean the subgroups have similar relative proportions--and that is almost impossible to read from the dot version. Also the lines help with the overlap problem with Mexicans and Others in the Immigrant group.

One way of showing this would be to have another column of Immigrant/US Born, perhaps on the same graph but with a different scale (or the same range stretched to higher levels with a second label).

I would choose the lined version over alternatives.

You need to be mindful with the scale--you just dropped it by 100 with a label that says (%) and then showing the decimal value.

Was anyone else disturbed by the fact that the native non-Latino whites are the most likely to have disorders? Perhaps a graph that breaks down the foreign born by % of life spent in the US would tell us if it was delivery here in the US or just kids' TV shows that drive the greater incidence. Probably not a discussion for this page.

Alex

Since no one bothered to say it at the other site, I'll mention the obvious: anyone born in Puerto Rico is US-born. Are immigrant Puerto Ricans those born in Mexico or China to Puerto Rican parents who chose not to take birthright US citizenship and later decided to be naturalized? That must be an awfully small sample.

the rugbyologist

These plots are also used all the time in biology, where we call the change the "norm of reaction". One item of great value is to be able to compare the amount of change between two conditions for two different groups to the difference in change (i.e., are the slopes of the connecting lines the same or different, regardless of the absolute value of the "dots").

Jon Peltier

I've had people, smart people, tell me that parallel coordinates plots are not valid, because the lines connect across discrete categories. They refuse to see that a line sometimes shows a continuous trend, but also connects points to help see other types of patterns.

juegos de estrategia

Thanks for sharing this article, greetings

screen capture

Wow, the difference between USA-born and non USA-born Non-Latino white is huge! I can't believe this fact, this is so shocking. So basically it means the conditions of living in the country literally brings damage to health of people. Unbelievable. Thank you very much for this post, it was so interesting to read it!

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